sherwood ' nice try . in your last post. the name jehovah was never used in the bible, try talking to a rabbi. but i know you are a hebrew major, like i'm a english major? so you want to talk about 1914 again but you admitt that satin was thrown out of heaven before jobs' time. but the wt says satin was thrown out of heaven in 1914? let me test your reasoning. is that ok. i'm still waiting for a factual response from you.... if you go by this line of reasoning, the devil was thrown out of heaven after the the blowing of the 7 trumpets of rev 11. but the wt says that the 7 trumpet was blown at the 1928 convention in detroit. revelations book pg. 173 and were the two witnesses russell and rutherford. was the u.s. gov't devoured by the fire in their mouths in 1918or 19 werer they killed at that time. i think not. rev 11 and did the wt rutherford have the power to shut up the sky rev 11:6 and have the power to turn water into blood. was the wt leaders bodies laying dead in the streets, and no one would bury them? rev 11:7-10 then in 3 and a half days god revived them . and god raptured them into heaven with the U>S> gov't looking on? and in 1919 there was a seventh earthquake or was it 1922 , let me see it in any newspaper. were these things happened. who was it who had the press come to watch russell ,on easter sunday in 1881 come to a bridge in pittsburg assend into heaven. it was not me. then you go into jn 14 and 16 again. but you don't seem to get that these verses say that the holy sprit will come to any that ask for it by reading and believing that jesus rose in the flesh from the dead. then you go to ez 28 but you have twisted that before. check your late thread but you forget ez 14: abou the false prophets and ez 16 about the whores working the streets with their prostitution of the kingdom. wow ez 16 is all about the wt. the pimp of false teaching. so sherwood , what are you wearing in the fs tomorrow.. you are a whore for the wt , and the bible says so . but even jesus shed his grace on whores and asked them to sin no more. here's your chance. to stop selling your self for your idol and god in Brooklyn. ez 14 is quite clear what will happen to you if you don't change your ways....your friend john
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How many years left to Armageddon
by JH inwith all the emphasis put on armageddon in the org.
can we throw away all the signs that jesus gave, just because we quit being a jw?.
does armageddon scare you as much as when you were a jw?
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Contact from the witnesses since leaving & I am angry !
by mattnoel ini have been looking through the site and noticed that a lot of you have had trouble with the witnesses since leaving.
i know when i was on the way out they wanted to meet up with me about half a dozen times, and i had various phone calls to try and stop me but since then i have not heard any more from them.
although i must admit there are still a couple who keep in touch with me via e mail and they let me know what is going on in the cong.
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hi matt; good for you , i hope you learned a lesson. not to ever let someone come into your house ,and look into your personnal things.. you have nothing to worry about only jesus can put your heart in judgment... One would think that every time someone leaves a false christ . the angels sing glory to god. and when one joins a cult the angels cry.. wishing you and your wife the best, freedom in christ.........john
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Needed to See New Topic
by Francois ini just had to see if i could put up a new topic.
the old one is getting old, and i'm wondering how long it takes for a new topic to show up in the list.. a super-cell just went by here.
it was raining so hard i expected to see an old man wearing a toga and leading two of everything (except for the sacrifical animals, of course, since there were seven of them, naturally) walking through my back yard toward that big boat over there.
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francios; ah yes the wt ark. on of my favorites,, get in before it's to late? so how big is your boat, did you build it as outlined in the bible. were the zombies measuring it, or were they laying claim to it when jehovah gives them your posessions. did they argue who has more hours, or which one was anointed??? or was it possible they were servaying the acreage to see how many pet lions, and tigers they could fit in your yard. on a good note my dad (jw) has come to my job and made a truce with me. he wants me back into his life. and he knows i will never let up on the wt. even after a small mental beating i gave him , he invited me for coffee. today i called and he said he was running out in fs.. i berated him and he talked to me for 15 min. so i think he see's the deal, i will try to go a little easy on him, francios i wish we could witness together, i would do my best to keep up with you....john
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Gred Stafford Not committed--too afraid of being DFd!
by cyberguy inive just completed the reading of greg staffords latest book, "the three dissertations on the teachings of jehovahs witnesses.
" although i appreciate his point-of-view overall, i find that his writing is often difficult to follow and at worst, not forthright on doctrinal issues.
basically, i find his writings rather anemic, hes just not forthright; he evidently doesnt want to be dfd!
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Sherwood ; i'm wondering why you posted that km, i have read it before..It seems from that km ,that the wt is scared sh*t of the internet.. in parp. 6 they ask would you let a stranger in your house? well the wt is known for sending out convicted child molesters ,to peoples house to start bible, i mean book studies. shame on them, how many children have been molested by jw's that were protected by the org.?????? then in para. 8 the wt talks about info about the wt as if it is apostate to god ,and unverifible.. well most sites give the wt publication , date ,page etc. as proff that the wt has lied in the past, and lies today about their past. has flipped flopped more than a fish out of water. funny thing is that a little time at the public or kh library ,proves that these sites are in fact correct. but the wt don't want you to see the MUD on their faces. i will not waste a lot of time going over this km. it has been done many times before.. as all wt publicatings they use the name of god to GLORIFY the false teachings of the wt. john 7:18 zep3:13 etc etc etc ... i am willing to discuss any wt teaching with you . with out all the name calling etc. and use a open mind to get down to the facts of the matters....john
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Has Maverick been a bad boy?
by Maverick inhey folks, seem my posting privileges have been restricted.
i guess i've been a bad boy.
dedalus and i had some cool interactions but i guess the fun is over.
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hi maverick; i liked your da or bn letter it but them in the hot seat.. now you have to say do you want to play with them, or blow them off totally . if you want to blow them off.. i would say wait till they come to your door, and hold them there. and say wait a minute i have something on the stove.. at that time call the police, say that you are being harrassed. they will come , let the police know that the jw's are violating your civil,human, and your rights to freedom of religion . liberty and peace. etc and anything you can come up with ... the elders will be standing ther looking like s&*T THEn SAY YOU WANT TO MAKE A REPORT, of this harrassment, and want to get a court order against the jw's to keep away from you etc. the police will have to file a report, and give you and the elders a copy... this will take some time , and all the while you can work over the jw's and the police may give them a sermon also ... they will feel like fools.... if this is what you want . it will be most effective... good luck ....,john
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Ministerial School talk
by Sherwood intitle: christ's brothers.
context: when are christ's brothers manifest?.
setting: 5 minute talk on the podium stage of power.. opening of talk:.
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sherwood; i'm quite aware that the wt changed the goat and sheep teaching in oct 95. but who called it light from god , a message from the angels, bible truth from jehovah's sprit directed org, that jehovah is the surpreme court, jesus is the head court officer, and the angels send the decisions to the fds to print in the wt.. these are a few of the wt quotes since the 1935 convention in washington d.c. on how the wt got the bible facts that the sheep and goats were being seperated from 1935 till 1995. So either Jehovah was lying, or the wt has been talking out of their asses, for the last 60 years,, you have your choice. WAITER ANOTHER BOWL OF CROW FOR MY FRIEND SHERWOOD ,PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
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How many years left to Armageddon
by JH inwith all the emphasis put on armageddon in the org.
can we throw away all the signs that jesus gave, just because we quit being a jw?.
does armageddon scare you as much as when you were a jw?
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sherwood ; you keep repeating mt 24 and 1 thes 5 . but the problem is you can't understand them.. you are letTing the wt , tell you what they mean, you have proven , that the wt books are your IDOL. and your god lives in colombia heights brooklyn. buy the way i'm not a writer, but my arguement is sound,, but yours is based on your christ on brooklyn. you have not showed me were i'm wrong ONCE, EXCEPT that i'm not a english major.. this is not a english class, i need to pass. this is a TEST on the wt teachings, that the wt has failed for 120+ years . jesus said you can not get good fruit from a tree with rotten roots.. it must be cut down and be thrown in the FIRE!!! I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR YOU...your friend john
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How many years left to Armageddon
by JH inwith all the emphasis put on armageddon in the org.
can we throw away all the signs that jesus gave, just because we quit being a jw?.
does armageddon scare you as much as when you were a jw?
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Sherwood ; i'm sorry you can't have a intellegent banter of thoughts. i have tryed to talk to you like a gentleman. if you can't handle the facts that the wt printed i'll pray for you . all that stuff i posted you can find in the GOLDEN AGE MAG. from the wt...you will not find it in the proclaimers book . it was in the jan 94 -95 96 wt that said that what was printed in the golden age was incontravertable facts. so i checked it out , and came up with all kinds of shit i never thought believable. but the wt taught this crap as jehovah's word.. so go to jw research site or quotes site. and read it ...THEN DO WHAT I DID AND GO TO THE 42ND STREET LIBRARY IN N.Y.C. or a kh or BETHEL, AND FIND THEM Then read them and you will not be able to call me names...i stand by what i said about the wt in the name of jesus.. i did the research have you??? maybe 10 or 20 or 30 years in the future you will do this research . and you will thank me for telling you the truth ..... but at that time i may already be with jesus... so read the gospel and trust in jesus... I can only lead a horse to the water, i can't make him drink.... the choice is yours.... freedom in christ
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How many years left to Armageddon
by JH inwith all the emphasis put on armageddon in the org.
can we throw away all the signs that jesus gave, just because we quit being a jw?.
does armageddon scare you as much as when you were a jw?
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Sherwood ; i have no friends here , alot don't like my posts. if i'm wrong i will admitt it. and have on occasion. i have gave you answers on your posts, and used your own words to condemn the wt. youwant to call names of 006 and others because they gave you info you never heard before.. i will not knock them till i have proven them wrong , with independant research. but i have reasearched the wt. and next to everything they print is wrong , has been changed, and will be changed maybe next week or year, then 2 years later it will be back to what they taught 70 years ago. there is no light from god in this . the crap they get wrong today , it takes me a day to find their mistakes in the bible... but it takes them decades... and they still get it wrong. who taught for some 60+ years, jehovah lives on the planet alcyone, who taught you can cure cancer from eating grapes 3 times a day, who taught that the devil created all the bad insects, who taught that russell was directing the preaching work from the grave. who taught that no one would go bald after 1926. etc etc etc etc. it wasn't anyone here .. now you want to talk about the time of the end . well mt 24 is speaking aboutr the fall of jerulaem and nothing else there were many wars at the time and what happened in 69.a.d. pompei a great earthquake and volcano wiped out 2 cites. then in 70a.d. jerulsem was destroyed so the prophecy was forfulled. it is very simple. also jesus says in mt. 24 be careful many false prophets will come in his name.. the time is at hand do NOT FOLLOW THEM.. well how many times has the wt said that the time is at hand? they still say it today then on the next page thay say they don't know when , but it is sooner than you think... you can't have it both ways it don't hake sense...in aug 2001 the wt says that the end will come when the annointed all die out and they give 1935 as a starting date. add 70-80 years to that and you get 2005-2015.. . then they still are saying that millions living today will never die...so if a baby was born today and lived to say 110 years old armageddom would be in his like time... what kind of shit is this, it don't agree with the bible... let me know when you want more ,,, i think things out.....john
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How many years left to Armageddon
by JH inwith all the emphasis put on armageddon in the org.
can we throw away all the signs that jesus gave, just because we quit being a jw?.
does armageddon scare you as much as when you were a jw?
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sherwood; about time you tried to give a reasonable answer,,, but you are wrong. first jesus always had kingdom power ..from 33A.D. EPH1; 20-21 MT 28;18 the time of the end started in 33 a.d. heb. 1; 1-5 etc. so you are following the twisted words of a faLSE PROPHET , who changed every thing they said . and all the false dates to 1914. russell was not even using that date till 1872-3-4-5-6 78 and 81 didn't pan out. the wt has been trying to cover up 1914 for the last 89 years by saying jesus came to power at the time....same thing the advents did with 1799 1833,1844-45 ,65 etc and russell was a adventist.. then he did the same bull crap with 1874 78 81 1905-07 1910-12 and the big one 1914. every thing the live forever book says about the pangs of distress from 1914 is a pile of dung.. a little history lesson at the public library and it all falls like a house of cards.. zep 3; 13 . then you quote proverbs 1, that is true a wise man excepts reproof but a fool is happy in his folly. but for the wt to say 1914 this and that . Is not being wise , they act like fools with all then bull they use to try to hold on to a LIE. THEN YOU go to 1 thes 5 but the wt has never followed this inspired advice.. 5:1 "but about times and dates we do not need to write" Well which group has said we are in the time of the end and has put out more dates than there are stars? was this following this inspired teaching? was this being fateful and discreet? i think not. they are still saying the end is any day now. 5;5 you are all sons of the light. who is the light? jesus but the wt teaches that you are not a son of jesus 5;10 you can't live with jesus because you are not a son .. this is what the wt teaches . true christians are all sons of abraham and there is only one hope gal3:28-29 and romans is right let god be true and all men lairs... with a few verses you have just described the false teacher that the wt is... it is a shame you can't see how they contridict themselves and the word of god... the wt is truely from their father SATAN.. by the way satan was thrown out of heaven in the book of genesis. i looked over chap, 2 of the live forever book , noting but scare tactics, and whats that crap that jesus is the angel michael . eccl 12:11 sherwood i think you are learning something here, that there is nothing the wt can give you that jesus can't. your friend john